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Expansion - A Story That Won't Die




It really is the story that won't die. The rumors and moves USUALLY all come crashing down AFTER the season is over and a football champion is crowned. But Jim Delaney and the Bi X (XIV?) just couldn't wait.

Did the Big X decide to grab Maryland and Rutgers to upstage the BCS National Championship since his conference is once again irrelevant in the discussion? Was the move made to counter Notre Dame's quasi alliance with the ACC? Or did his television partners cut a deal with cable networks to force a nickle per household increase on every subscriber up and down the eastern seaboard? Rumors are running rampant...

I was going to leave this story alone until after the SEC Championship game, but the news this morning is just too compelling to pass on. Just a few short days after Duke's coach Krzyzewski expressed concern over the ACC's stability, Virginia Tech's AD Jim Weaver has essentially reached out to the Southeastern Conference!

Weaver's comments have definately blown Twitter up:

“I really haven’t thought about (whether the SEC would contact Tech) because the discussion (thanks to Maryland’s move) has just come about three or four days ago.  I’d like to defer my comment for right now, but there may potentially be some interest.”

There are not too many schools out there that can cause Mike Slive to stop what he is doing and change course. Texas Agriculture and Military was one of them, and make no miskake, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University is another. If VA Tech is truly interested in joining, the SEC WILL find a way to make it happen.

This creates another problem. Who will be school number 16? Odds are, it will be a school in North Carolina. Is this the death knell for the ACC? It sure seems that way. If the Hokies have one foot out the door, can Florida State and Clemson be far behind?

Truth is, the Big 12 was written off for dead after CO, NE, MO & aTm bolted, but within less than a year they have re-established themselves as one of the stable "power conferences". Can the Atlantic Coast Conference pull off a similar feat? The president's and ad's of ACC schools must all be very nervous right now. There are many proud and storied athletic programs in that conference.

Will the power conferences all go to 20 schools and create an 80 school universe? Will they stop at 16? Right now, nobody really knows. Fasten your seatbelts, the expansion carousel is sure to be a fast and furious ride this offseason...


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SEC East

Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Florida
Florida State
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Clemson

SEC West:

Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Louisiana State
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Missouri
Okalahoma
Oklahoma State

MAKE IT HAPPEN SLIVE!!!!!!
Why would you want so many teams? Then we would never get to play anyone from the west. I liked it at 14 16 is a max
Constant opponents or start with these teams on a 2 year rotation:

Kentucky vs Mississippi State
Vanderbilt vs Ole Miss
Tennessee vs Alabama
Georgia vs Auburn
South Carolina vs Arkansas
Florida vs Louisiana State
Florida State vs Oklahoma
Virginia Tech vs Texas A&M
North Carolina State vs Oklahoma State
Clemson vs Missouri

Based upon the article saying it could go to 20 teams per conference.

Sounds logical to me....lets make it happen.
Mechanical* not Military but I think technically A&M doesn't officially stand for anything now.
I bet West Virginia is kicking themselves right now.  They could've be the ugly sister no one really wanted but fills out the numbers Missouri in this deal.
Everybody wants to get into the SEC, but everybody can't... sorry guys.
Let's go to 20 teams and not play OOC games.

View PostMatt, on 21 November 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

I bet West Virginia is kicking themselves right now.  They could've be the ugly sister no one really wanted but fills out the numbers Missouri in this deal.
IMO WV didn't have another desirable eastern school to come with them and they had to take what the could get. I said sometime a while back the WV and VT were the most likely teams.
The acc made it clear with their last expansion that they care more about basketball. The SEC will get vt and nc state...then chumpson and fsu will head to the big 12. Then the acc will just go out and get some more basketball teams like louisville and georgetown.

View Postcocky4ever, on 21 November 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

The acc made it clear with their last expansion that they care more about basketball. The SEC will get vt and nc state...then chumpson and fsu will head to the big 12. Then the acc will just go out and get some more basketball teams like louisville and georgetown.

I think if Clemson & FSU go to the Big 12, they will bring GA Tech & Miami with them - they BOTH want as many teams in the league as possible for close, drivable rivalry games
This expansion is complete BS. Everyone's jockeying for a spot in the 4 team playoff.

The SEC expanded to 14 and look what happened.... we damn near got shut out of the BCS.

To hell with expansion.
16 has got to be the cap.  The conference already cannibalizes itself as it is (yet still faces constant OOC scrutiny?) What benefit would there be to individual programs if they are lengthening the road to winning their division, and conference, by adding a typically extremely competitive VT team?(and whatever throw in they choose to let accompany it)
The Big12 is trying to get to 16 teams too. That means adding 6 teams between now and the 2014. They are looking at adding teams from the Conference USA / WAC re-alignment and ACC. They want a north and south Division with 8 teams in conference and 3 non conference games and a Big 12 Championship game. Expanding into areas where they are not currently, doing it before some of the conferences start this 50 million dollar buyout fee's and before the 2014 Conference and non conference strength of schedule kicks in to be 1 of the 4 qualifiers for the playoffs.
They are going to announce this after the current Bowls and the Big10 jumped the gun and signed Rutgers and Maryland before someone else did.and before they could back out.
The Big12 is looking at adding teams like LaTech, UL-L, ULM, Rice, New Mexico State, Arkansas State, etc
They want some teams in the conference that Kansas, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia can compete and beat up on and put them in TV markets they are not currently in.

View PostaTm 82, on 21 November 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

The Big12 is trying to get to 16 teams too. That means adding 6 teams between now and the 2014. They are looking at adding teams from the Conference USA / WAC re-alignment and ACC. They want a north and south Division with 8 teams in conference and 3 non conference games and a Big 12 Championship game. Expanding into areas where they are not currently, doing it before some of the conferences start this 50 million dollar buyout fee's and before the 2014 Conference and non conference strength of schedule kicks in to be 1 of the 4 qualifiers for the playoffs.
They are going to announce this after the current Bowls and the Big10 jumped the gun and signed Rutgers and Maryland before someone else did.and before they could back out.
The Big12 is looking at adding teams like LaTech, UL-L, ULM, Rice, New Mexico State, Arkansas State, etc
They want some teams in the conference that Kansas, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia can compete and beat up on and put them in TV markets they are not currently in.
That really would dilute an already pretty weak conference.  Once you get passed Texas, OU, OkSt and KSU who would you expect to field a top 25 team every year?
It's going to happen people regardless. This is the landscape of college football now. I will say though that this is being caused by all those "playoff blohard moonbats" that kept whining about a playoff. Well, with the super-conferences coming, I hope you're happy...

I'm not anti-playoff per say, but I am a pro-bowl person. There is a lot of tradition and history with the bowl games and I would be hopeless without them. As for the BCS, I liked the ORIGINAL BCS formula. You know? The one that factored in MOV, QW, SOS, ect, etc. Not this watered down/santitized version.

Do I think the 4-Team BCS Championship is a good thing? Yes to an extent. It maintains the bowls and as long as that's done, I'm good to go.

Carry on.
West:
LSU
Texas A&M
Missouri
Arkansas

Central:
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
MSU

East:
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
South Carolina

North:
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech

Play 3 division games, 2-3 protected rival games in other divisions, and 2-3 rotating games in other divisions.

View PostNeo, on 21 November 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

It's going to happen people regardless. This is the landscape of college football now. I will say though that this is being caused by all those "playoff blohard moonbats" that kept whining about a playoff. Well, with the super-conferences coming, I hope you're happy...

I'm not anti-playoff per say, but I am a pro-bowl person. There is a lot of tradition and history with the bowl games and I would be hopeless without them. As for the BCS, I liked the ORIGINAL BCS formula. You know? The one that factored in MOV, QW, SOS, ect, etc. Not this watered down/santitized version.

Do I think the 4-Team BCS Championship is a good thing? Yes to an extent. It maintains the bowls and as long as that's done, I'm good to go.

Carry on.

Super conferences have absolutely nothing to do with a playoff, none.  They're all to do about opening up new TV markets and money.

Having a playoff also does absolutely nothing to diminish bowls, nothing.

Don't go borrowing trouble, my friend.

View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 21 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Super conferences have absolutely nothing to do with a playoff, none.  They're all to do about opening up new TV markets and money.

Having a playoff also does absolutely nothing to diminish bowls, nothing.

Don't go borrowing trouble, my friend.


Wha....?

Keep telling yourself that Crimson.....  That's what these mega conferences were all about. They're built of a premise of instituting a playoff.

http://www.businessi...-12-2012-5?op=1

http://www.forbes.co...playoff-system/

http://bleacherrepor...-playoff-system


Having a full fledged playoff DOES destroy the history and tradition of the bowls.

View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 21 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Super conferences have absolutely nothing to do with a playoff, none.  They're all to do about opening up new TV markets and money. Having a playoff also does absolutely nothing to diminish bowls, nothing.


Per Forbes Magazine...

College Football Super Conferences Can Pave Path to Postseason Playoff System

Patrick Rishe, Contributor
I cover the economics of the sports industry.

Over the weekend it seemed a certainty that at least Texas A&M was going to join the Southeastern Conference.
While that move has been temporarily delayed and though many decry the numerous conference shifts that have taken place in recent memory, I submit that the best chance to see a postseason playoff system in college football is through the creation of “super-conferences”.

Those of you who have followed my writings (e.g. the Boise Banter piece as well as the Gordon Gee piece) certainly know where I stand concerning a college football playoff system.  But the rekindled spirit of conference realignment set in motion last summer has led me to further contemplate how “super-conferences” could mesh with an 8-team playoff structure.
Details behind the vision:

Assign A College Football Commissioner
Tony Barnhart from CBS Sportsline hit the nail on the head.  College football drives the financial bus of college athletics.  As the most important sport financially, it needs a leader that can work collaboratively with conference and school officials.  Someone with the business savvy to maximize revenue potentials that exist from impending realignment, yet someone with enough common sense to encourage geographically reasonable realignment to the extent that it’s possible.  Which will still not be perfect under the super-conference structure.

Super-Conferences Can Be Football Specific
Super-conference designations need not apply to all sports.  They could just apply to football.  After all, there are numerous examples presently where schools belong to one conference in a select sport but are full-time conference members in another conference in all other sports.  This could minimize the chaos of massive restructuring while maintaining long-standing rivalries in the Olympic sports as well as college basketball.  The commercial success of men’s college basketball is already taken care of with March Madness, so why apply any potential super-conference designations to that or any other sport.

http://www.forbes.co...playoff-system/

View PostMatt, on 21 November 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

That really would dilute an already pretty weak conference.  Once you get passed Texas, OU, OkSt and KSU who would you expect to field a top 25 team every year?
They didn't want to dilute the conference, but aTm and Missouri bolted and they brought in TCU from the WAC and West Virginia from the Big East. They were the 2 best teams they could find. Then they saw 3 teams jump from Conference USA,and 2 from Mountain West,  to the BigEast. If U-H and SMU would have been patient for just 1 more year they would have probably would have been invited  into the BIG12. It is all about the revenue, recruiting, market share, Conf champ game, playoff and bowl games. The more teams in your Conference the more money you make, the more games you have on TV.
Now they wanna start a search for 6 more teams by 2014 and avoid some schools paying big exit fee's by giving notice.
The Big East saw this coming and installed the $50 Million dollar buyout fee. The Big East was just trying to save their conference from being ravaged by other conferences.
It all depends on who wants to come to the BIG12 and make it the Big16.
Other teams will be filling spots in the new WAC/Conference USA and Mountain West, the Big East losing 2 teams( Rutgers,Maryland) and gaining 5(UH, SMU, Boise State, San Diego State, & UCF)
BIG10, WAC, Conference USA, Mountain West and Big East will all look different in 2013. Pretty sure the BIG12 will look different too.

View PostaTm 82, on 22 November 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

They didn't want to dilute the conference, but aTm and Missouri bolted and they brought in TCU from the WAC and West Virginia from the Big East. They were the 2 best teams they could find. Then they saw 3 teams jump from Conference USA,and 2 from Mountain West,  to the BigEast. If U-H and SMU would have been patient for just 1 more year they would have probably would have been invited  into the BIG12. It is all about the revenue, recruiting, market share, Conf champ game, playoff and bowl games. The more teams in your Conference the more money you make, the more games you have on TV.
Now they wanna start a search for 6 more teams by 2014 and avoid some schools paying big exit fee's by giving notice.
The Big East saw this coming and installed the $50 Million dollar buyout fee. The Big East was just trying to save their conference from being ravaged by other conferences.
It all depends on who wants to come to the BIG12 and make it the Big16.
Other teams will be filling spots in the new WAC/Conference USA and Mountain West, the Big East losing 2 teams( Rutgers,Maryland) and gaining 5(UH, SMU, Boise State, San Diego State, & UCF)
BIG10, WAC, Conference USA, Mountain West and Big East will all look different in 2013. Pretty sure the BIG12 will look different too.
I think some of the schools, especially the ones out west are going to back out on the BigEast.  They have an argument that the conference they agreed to join, due to the loss of Rutgers, does not exist.  It probably will come down on which side had better lawyers and contingencies in their side of the contract but I bet Boise doesn't end up in the BigEast and if the BigXII wants the Texas schools they can probably still get them.

View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 21 November 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

West:
LSU
Texas A&M
Missouri
Arkansas

Central:
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
MSU

East:
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
South Carolina

North:
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech

Play 3 division games, 2-3 protected rival games in other divisions, and 2-3 rotating games in other divisions.

In that scenario how do we determine the conference champ?

View Postcocky4ever, on 22 November 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

In that scenario how do we determine the conference champ?

one of 2 ways

1 - highest seed vs lowest seed & 2 middle seeds play for the right to go to Atlanta - 2 highest seeds get a bonus home game

2 - 2 highest seeds go to Atlanta straight up

it's really a no brainer

for that matter, we REALLY do not need divisions - why not just have 3 or 4 "rivalry games" and rotate the rest of the conference? take the 2 best teams at years end and call it a day?

View PostNeo, on 22 November 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

But the rekindled spirit of conference realignment set in motion last summer has led me to further contemplate how “super-conferences” could mesh with an 8-team playoff structure.

This was an op-ed illustrating how super conferences COULD be used within a playoff system.  It did nothing to illustrate how super conferences were the motive for a playoff system.  The true motive I illustrated still stands.

View Postcocky4ever, on 22 November 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

In that scenario how do we determine the conference champ?
That's a very good question and I'm still mulling over that.  Most years, I'd say that two of the divisional winners would separate themselves as the championship contenders based on outright conferences records.  If there are three or more leaders then it gets hairy.  Some of the existing SEC tie breaker rules might have to come in play sooner than they do under the current formant.